Episode 38: Crisis & the Ballot Box: Who Keeps Government Running?

On March 23, Prime Minister Mark Carney asked Governor General Mary Simon to dissolve Parliament and call a federal election, officially kicking off what’s known as the Writ Period. During this time, the federal government and its 370,000 public servants must follow the Caretaker Convention—a set of rules ensuring government operations continue while avoiding major new decisions until election day.

But what happens in times of crisis? How does the government function when leadership is in flux? 

In this episode, we  break down the Caretaker Convention and its real-world impact. We’ll hear from those who’ve lived it firsthand—senior civil servants Marcel Saulnier and Saäd Rafi, former Alberta Health Minister Tyler Shandro, and experienced political staffers from across party lines: Jill Pilgrim, Dave Penner, and Sean Ashton.

 

Guest Biographies:

Peter Cleary: Former Advisor to Health Ministers federally, provincially and currently Principal managing Santis’ Government Affairs practice. 

Tyler Shandro: An Associate at Santis Health, lawyer and Alberta’s Health Minister during the COVID-19 pandemic. 

Saäd Rafi: Former Deputy Minister in the Government of Ontario, CEO of the Pan Am/Parapan Am Games, and formerly a senior partner at a “Big Four” consulting firm. Currently an Executive Advisor at Santis Health. 

Dave Penner: Former Prime Minister’s Office Advisor to Stephen Harper and currently the Senior Director of Santis’ Federal Government Affairs practice. 

Jill Pilgrim: Lawyer and former Director of Policy to Health Minister Mark Holland, as well as Policy Advisor to the Ministers of Families, Children and Social Development, and Employment and Workforce Development. Currently a Senior Consultant at Santis Health.

Marcel Saulnier: An Associate with Santis Health, formerly an Advisor in the Prime Minister’s Office, Director of Policy Research at the Canadian Medical Association, Executive Director of the pharmacare initiative at Health Canada, Executive Secretary of the Naylor Report and Associate Assistant Deputy Minister with Health Canada. 

Sean Ashton: Former political advisor to British Columbia’s Health Minister, Adrian Dix, Advisor to Ontario NDP’s 2022 election campaign, and campaign mobilizer in the United States. Currently, a Consultant on Santis Health’s Western Canada team.